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moggy2
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 Posted: Sun, 20. Aug 06, 17:08 Post subject: [Script] Turret Commands plugin *needs testing |
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Download: http://www.xai-corp.net/project/XaiCorp-TC
Provides 2 new commands:
- Turret Fighter Defense
- Turret Attack Capital Ships
Different weapons are better suited to different types of target, fighters or capital ships, now with these commands you can match the target selection of your turrets to the type of weapons installed.
This hasn't yet been tested. It needs someone who is familiar with fleet combat involving capital ships at fighters to evaluate it.
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Red Spot
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| Posted: Sun, 20. Aug 06, 18:21 Post subject: Re: [Script] Turret Commands plugin *needs testing |
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| moggy2 wrote: |
| It needs someone who is familiar with fleet combat involving capital ships at fighters to evaluate it. |
You could have asked if I liked to look at it ...
(sorry .. aro. joke ... )
Anyway I've said all I need to say about such commands in the last few post of my turret-defense topic ... 
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vampirecosmonaut
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| Posted: Sun, 20. Aug 06, 20:17 Post subject: |
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Does this command set utilize any weapons switching?
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Général Grievous
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| Posted: Sun, 20. Aug 06, 22:16 Post subject: |
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GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ow i am verry interested by your script guys i am borred to see my CPP canons make fire on thoses ******* fighters
thanks for your script! i will test it tomorow.
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vampirecosmonaut
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| Posted: Mon, 21. Aug 06, 01:41 Post subject: |
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| moggy2 wrote: |
| vampirecosmonaut wrote: |
| Does this command set utilize any weapons switching? |
nope. |
Then what's the point of this script in light of Red Spot's turret script?
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Cedrk
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| Posted: Mon, 21. Aug 06, 08:09 Post subject: |
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YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
downloading now
Thanks moggy2, testing now.
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Général Grievous
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| Posted: Mon, 21. Aug 06, 11:51 Post subject: |
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si i have tested the script and it's working.
-> the fighter defend turrets hit only the fighters and only if they are attacking me
-> the capitals ship attac turrets hit capital ships and stations when they are in fire range. 
But i don't know who is it with M6 class ship... which turret will hit thoses ships??? 
so it's a good job and thank you it's verry interesting for battles strategies
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ORIOLE
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| Posted: Mon, 21. Aug 06, 12:03 Post subject: |
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Nice, 
This script makes sooo much more sense than Red Spot's Turret-Defense. I like to keep things realistic. First of all, these weapons are mounted and to change a large weapon to another during a battle instantaneously is a bit wishful thinking.
But a script that assigns commands to turrets individually is the way to go. Thx moggy2 for a great script
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moggy2
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| Posted: Mon, 21. Aug 06, 15:51 Post subject: |
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| Général Grievous wrote: |
But i don't know who is it with M6 class ship... which turret will hit thoses ships???
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I believe M6's are classed as 'big ships' so you'd want to use the attack capital ship command to pick on them first.
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Jakesnake5
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| Posted: Tue, 22. Aug 06, 01:06 Post subject: |
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@ORIOLE
You apparently never watched NPC ships turrets switch weapons have you. Realistic is not in the eyes of the beholder in this case.
Besides, if you want to use the scripts, you have to pack the right weapons anyway. PPC's for cap ships, and the lightest/FLAK weapons for anti-fighter. And they will only do one at a time. And (unless the script does it for you) you have to switch the weapons out for the right capabilities. RS's will switch as needed.
I'd rather have auto switching than micromanaging anyday.
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| Posted: Tue, 22. Aug 06, 02:12 Post subject: |
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| Jakesnake5 wrote: |
@ORIOLE
You apparently never watched NPC ships turrets switch weapons have you. Realistic is not in the eyes of the beholder in this case.
Besides, if you want to use the scripts, you have to pack the right weapons anyway. PPC's for cap ships, and the lightest/FLAK weapons for anti-fighter. And they will only do one at a time. And (unless the script does it for you) you have to switch the weapons out for the right capabilities. RS's will switch as needed.
I'd rather have auto switching than micromanaging anyday. |
Yeah, me too. This is how the old gunnery crews worked in the X2 Bonus Pack script. Beats me why Egosoft didn't include that one in X3.
In vanilla X3, the NPC ships get this functionality but player ships don't. That doesn't really seem fair to me.
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moggy2
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| Posted: Tue, 22. Aug 06, 03:54 Post subject: |
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| Nanook wrote: |
| ...In vanilla X3, the NPC ships get this functionality but player ships don't. That doesn't really seem fair to me. |
Looking at the scripts, it's a very easy thing to fix. Makes you wonder if it was just missed during all the changes (like the jump command in the initial release).
adding the function to my scripts is similarly easy. I might just do that.
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AcidB
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| Posted: Tue, 22. Aug 06, 05:30 Post subject: |
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Ive tried it yesterday and i need to say...good work.
First, i used the RC. Turret Defence from Red. But, i found out, it didnt work i like. I got multiple weapons on board and the script from red switched his weapons regardless whitch ship the turrets are attacking.
For example, the ppcs are attacking fighters although the ship got some flaks in his cargo. Im becoming tired to see my ship shooting at fighters with his ppc, dont hit them and have low energy in a few seconds.
Maybe i did a wrong configuration.
Nevertheless your script do so how it should but without switching weapons or energymanagment. PPC attacked big ships....flaks only fighters.
But...why do the turrets attack only until i(am?) be attacked? (grml....difficult english grammar)
I mean, why dont attack my turrets first? (example. i get a bbs missions to kill some bad guys which are flying from one sector to another)
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| Posted: Tue, 22. Aug 06, 11:59 Post subject: |
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Do I sense two approaches?
1. Target is chosen, now choose weapons to match it.
2. Guns are chosen, only shoot matching targets.
There are three questions for a turret:
1. What to shoot at?
2. When to shoot?
3. Which guns are "best"?
The default "Attack any" and "Protect" are basically "shoot first" and "you may only return fire". The "Missile Defence" in X2 was "Attack any, but shoot missiles first". The X3 version is "Protect, and shoot missiles first".
The X2 AEGIS had at least two strong points: it chose weapons to match target, and it used light guns to turn the turret to new target. Traversing PPC is very slow. X2 had more difficult weapon selection: PPC had range and speed, but GHEPT was most powerful on hull. X3 guns are more linear.
The X3 "Attack my target" seems to target other ships, if the official target is out of range. I sense AEGIS influence on that too. But the guns do not shift back to main target as needed. Very keen on killing their own victim first.
"Do not attack BigShips" does not sound necessary. They are usually out of range and thus do not end up as targets that often. "Only attack BigShips" makes sense on PPC turret.
I've looked (in disgust) how NPC Titan jumps into middle of XI K's and shoots PPC at at least three K's simultaneously. Sure, that is not a fair fight. At times I have hoped that the side turrets on my personal M2 would do the same. However, for personal M2 the vanilla approach of PPC on the front and all else on anti-fighter, take one opponent at a time, works rather efficiently. If you are in the middle, you cannot dodge enough, and then you die no matter how smart turrets you have.
But that is personal ship. Swapping FAA/PPC on the front turret only is humanly possible, with script or without.
It is the AI flown player ship that needs the help. OOS the power, IS the smarts. So which is more efficient? To choose targets wisely, or to change guns wisely? Which should be done first? Should one aim for the M2 first or are the fighters bigger threat? Take out Falcon or Buzzard first?
Simple scripts that do well-defined separate tasks are good. That leaves choice to the player. Competing scripts that may contain complex problems tend to turn people off.
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